June has always been the “traditional month” for weddings… As between one male and one female… So in someways—-this is a slap on that also…

Charlotte, Very astute observation, I hadn’t thought thought of that.

Many things are changing here in America, it is a shaking but we of the faith cannot be shaken.

Bless God,

Rev MB

Something else you apparently didn’t think of:  June is the anniversary of the Stonewall riots.  Given your complete omission of this fact, it seems that you might actually learn something from a LBGT month.  If you’d like to know what happened in June, 1969, read this: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots

Cliff’s notes:  Police, along side something called the (i kid you not) “Public Morals Squad” went around arresting gay people for being “too gay.”  One night in late June 1969, these innocent people decided that they’d had enough and rebelled.  Here you had essentially patriots, standing up for their constitutional rights and fighting back against an American Gestapo.  But, no, that’s not really worth remembering, is it?  Jeez, the nerve of these gays, to fight oppression so close to Father’s Day!

XI,
The abuse and/or mistreatment to anyone is wrong. Homesexuality, according to scripture, is also wrong. Two wrongs don’t make a right, no matter how you slice it.

Noone has the right to abuse or mistreat a homosexual. And homosexuals should be afforded the same human rights as anyone else. But homosexuals do not have the right to redefine marriage nor try to force the homosexual lifestyle as normal or acceptable to society in general.

Two wrongs simply do not make a right.

Mac,
You know what else is wrong?  Pretending that a monumental injustice never happened.  By failing to even mention Stonewall, this article is one big lie-by-omission. 

Here’s an instructive exercise:  Go back to your last post and replace the word “Homosexual” with “Black” or “Jew” or “Female” or “Christian”. 

BTW, I realize this is fairly pointless to argue here.  After all, the article goes so far as to claim Obama is the friggin’ anti-christ.  Stay classy people!

I was always aware of Stonewall but I hardly think the injustice seen there is a mandate to justfy the heavy handed gay agenda we are enduring today.

As someone has already said two wrongs don’t make a right.

Perhaps I should mention New Orleans Southern Decadence celebrations or the San Diego gay parade in which children were exposed to fawning, sexually deviate materials and paraphenalia and a general side show debauch.

If I recounted every instance where gays were assaulted or insulted in the last decade it would still change nothing of what I wrote.

We are a nation prone to making excuses which we carry with us almost as warrants to hurt, maime and destroy because we have been hurt.

Heres an idea…grow up!

Let me also add that if I lied by omission I would have to replace every article with a full book legnth manuscript lest I offend by leaving out one point.

No I never said Obama was the antchrist, perhaps the false prophet but would you know the difference?

Stay classy?? What is classy about perversion, abortion and promoting a lifestyle that will assuredly bring about the demise and eventual judgment of our nation?

I hear anger but I see no reason or civility in your remarks but as always as it pertains to statements made by gays I must consider the source.

In my thinking anyone who has chosen to follow the gay lifestyle already has impaired judgment and I don’t expect too much level thought after that.

You know, its funny, in my thinking, anyone who has chosen to follow scripture already has impaired judgment.  Agree to disagree?

It doesn’t take a manuscript to note the real reason that June is the logical choice.  It takes one sentence.

The thing is, you don’t really find anything particularly sacred about June.  It didn’t matter what month was chosen, you would have manufactured whatever outrage you could think of. 

What do you really care about it anyway?  Since Obama is the anti-christ / false prophet / boogeyman, aren’t you all going to be magically teleported to heaven in a few years?  oh right… for the children… i almost forgot.

Reverend Bresciani, the very first paragraph of Obama’s proclamation reads:

“Forty years ago, patrons and supporters of the Stonewall Inn in New York City resisted police harassment that had become all too common for members of the lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) community. Out of this resistance, the LGBT rights movement in America was born. During LGBT Pride Month, we commemorate the events of June 1969 and commit to achieving equal justice under law for LGBT Americans.”

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Presidential-Proclamation-LGBT-Pride-Month/

I’d also like to note that celebrating Pride Month is not a “slap in the face” to fathers, WWII veterans, and our flag—after all, we manage to celebrate Black History Month and Presidents Day, don’t we?

I can see my words are wasted on you. We who believe in both the Bible and our constitution have to tread a fine line.

First we can never accept being gay as anything but sin and something for which a person will lose their salvation. This is sad to us and we preach against homosexuality not just to be against it but for the sake of the souls we believe our Bible’s tell us will be lost because of it.

Secondly we believe our constitution allows equal protection under the first and the fourteenth amenment for homosexuals.

What we don’t believe is that it is something that either the gays or we should be ‘proud’ of.

Gay pride, maybe for you but for the rest of us it is a sad testimony of how far we have sunk as a nation and how close we are to the judgments of God.

I will let the scriptures we trust speak for themselves from the first cahpter of Romans,

“Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient”

To become ‘reprobate’ simply means that a persons ability to recognize the thruth or any cousel as having come from a Holy God is gone. This is one of the worst states for a human being to be in.

See? was that so hard?  Next time you get all frothy about someone else not living up to *your* faith, rather than making up a bunch of non-sense about D-Day or Father’s Day or the sanctity of marriage, just copy and paste what you just wrote:  that there can be no “Gay Pride” because *you* are not proud of them.

XI, I’m with the Rev., grow up, man. You come across like a typical arrogant little queen.

There is NO nonsense in what the Rev stated in the article. He stated plain, simple, historical fact concerning the American observances of those holidays or traditions. Read it again.

He also NEVER said there was NO gay pride, neither in the article or his comments above. Read ‘em.

So, the next time YOU get frothy over someone not agreeing with or accepting the gay lifestyle, at least stick with the facts and your own opinion, not made up *nonsense*.

“choosing the month of June is almost a slap in the face to millions of Americans who choose to remember the fathers’ warriors and patriots who have given so much to make the country what it is.” 

Passnthru,
That right there is non-sense. 

A typical arrogant little queen, eh? thats rich.  I guess if I was gay, then that would be some sort of insult?  What are you gonna do about it?  Are you fixin’ to go git yer pickup truck and have a queer drag?  or do you just sound like a typical in-bred little bible-thumper.

It’s also rather hilarious to be told to “grow up” by bigots who believe in fairy tales.

Right, no pride whatsoever.

I thought I was was clear on that already.

I do have other things to do so I will let you slip and slide aroud this subject all by yourself.

Good Day Rev. MB

Regardless of what month the president chose for this LBGT observance, it is still offensive to at least some, if not many Americans - Christian or not.

Typical in-bred little bible-thumper? I guess that is supposed to be some sort of fire back insult? For the record, I happen to be a well-educated business professional in a large, northern Illinois city. But that is irrelevant.

Bigot? I find that a bit ironic and humorous coming from the likes of you. The ones who scream “tolerance” and “acceptance” the loudest are the ones who are the most intolerant, trying to force their own agenda upon others, with bitterness, hatred and vengeance. Man, just look at the tone of your own comments here.

Fairy tales? If you’re right, then you really have nothing to lose.

But IF you’re wrong…you really willing to take that chance?

The Constitution clearly permits many things (freedom of speech and religion, equal protection under the law, etc.) that are prohibited by your religious beliefs. Recognizing the freedom of others to make non-fundamentalist choices may seem like “treading a fine line” to you, but we are not obligated to believe in your deities, participate in your rituals, or observe your taboos.

The “slap in the face” line only makes sense if LGBT people are not also fathers, patriots, and warriors—which is not the case. According to Barna, 70% are Christians, too!

Passnthru,
Hey man, just responding in kind.  My initial comment was simply to point out the real reason June was chosen.  The OP has now confirmed his true belief, and it has nothing to do with Father’s Day.  So good.

Yes, that was “some sort of fire back insult”.  You really are well-educated.  This much is obvious after hearing your “What if you’re wrong?” theory of divinity.  Are there any other heart-felt beliefs I should decide to adopt, you know, just in case?

Cognitive,
Mainstream fundamentalists seem to have given up trying to deny others the freedom to make their own choices.  The new trend is to say “keep it out of my face”, or “I don’t want to hear about it.”  As if to say: Damn we already told you! we are sorry about all that mistreatment and abuse over the last few decades.  Why can’t you just keep your head down, your mouth shut and pretend it never happened, so that we don’t have to acknowledge you faggots exist? 

Basically, we don’t have to observe their taboo’s.  We just have to pretend that we do…. for the children.

XI said:
“Are there any other heart-felt beliefs I should decide to adopt, you know, just in case?”

No, you’re obviously too smart to believe in God- or in anything bigger than yourself, for that matter. Silly me, how dare I even suggest that one of us COULD be wrong.

And the world is still flat.

It’s ironic to see a theist bringing up the flat-earth theory, considering that both it and heliocentrism were supported by Bible-bangers long after the scientific evidence was in.

Science is a self-correcting endeavor, whereas revealed religion…not so much.

It isn’t Barna who determines who is a christian he simply polls them. Christ said a person must be born again and then follow him in obedience. Homosexuality is clearly disobedience from new to old testament. Professing to be a Christian is not enough. Church membership won’t do it only what has already been stated.

As a footnote. Yes, I do see it as a slap in the face to all those (About 290 million Americans who still cringe at the perversion known as homosexuality.

Our new socialist President has given us all a few slaps in the face and thats now part of the record.

He has slapped th faces of about two million people who are still waiting for his long form birth certificate and by so doing he is telling them they have no right constitutionally or otherwise even to ask the question. He has given them a slap on the other cheek by engaging law firms to the tune of an estimated $1,000,000 to supress the uncovering of his own birth certificate and other personal documents.

He has slapped private enterprise, CEOs and the market in the face by taking over their right to make their own determinations.

He has slapped the next generation in the face with a 9 trillion dollar debt long before they can learn to count to ten.

He has slapped honesty in the face with relationships to racist preachers, unrepentant bombers and organizations that are under investigation. This is particularly insulting because one of his promises to America is a new honesty and transparency.

He has slapped his independant inspector in the face for doing his job and uncovering the mis-use of government funds. You know the one he fired without warning for blowing the whistle.

I am getting bored writing this list because it is far from over.

Little wonder that he would offend and disregard the traditions, the sensibilities and in the case of millions the time honored practice of honoring fathers, patriots and veterans throughout the month of June. They get a day each. What presumption that gays get an entire month under the auspices of the proclaimation. Yes, that is a slap in the face.

He has slapped 4,000 children a day in the face by allowing, no, by promoting the scourge, the domestic genocide of this nation’s unborn.

Do you think I should retract, recant or deny what I have said. Don’t hold your breath.

Do you think you can pop into a blog breathe a little fire on everyone and make headlines,  opinion changes, or even salient points.

It seems something in your thinking long ago caught fire and is now missing. I think the term is ‘burned out.’ Are you looking for it, complaining or blaming us because it is gone?

Those who stand on God’s word aren’t moved because of a little firebreathing, socialistic rhetoric or simple nastiness.

His word would not be the immovable rock Christ said it was if it were that flimsy and shifting.

I have had a long day but I thought I should at least clarify a few points.

Goodnight,

Rev MB

This outrageous article exposes the Rev Michael Bresciani as both an imbecile AND a fascist. When I posted extracts on my Freethinker website (http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/06/24/june-is-bustin’-out-all-over-–-with-fundie-fury/), it attracted a number of very pertinent comments. Here are just some:

• So gay people can`t be “fathers, soldiers and patriots” then? The implications of this bigot`s statements are obvious!

• Wonderful that this guy mentions D-Day first, without any apparent awareness that the Nazis rounded up and murdered homosexuals, and that (by any reasonable assessment) thousands of Allied troops who hit the beach at Normandy must have been gay. Jaw-dropping imbecility.

• The man does indeed espouse fascist views. If homosexuals are not “warriors and patriots”, then they must, by implication, be cowards and traitors!

• He also forgets that plenty of gay people want to be “warriors and patriots” but our military bans them from doing so (though many still serve anyway).

• Nevermind that June is the anniversary of Stonewall, a glaring omission from that ridiculous rant.

• Occupations that are particularly attractive to gays, since they provide access to lots and lots of men without women, include the priesthood, the boy scouts, and the military. While the statistics do not apply to conscripts, volunteer armies tend to be overwhelmingly gay. If America purged its armed forces of all gays, there would not be enough fighting men left to defend against an invasion from Grand Fenwick.

• Where have these morons been? June has been Pride Month for decades. Obama has nothing to do with it and that “proclamation” was likely written by a jr. level staffer. Obama doesn’t give a toot about us and only throws a few crumbs our way whenever he feels he absolutely must to avoid all of the LGBT supporters deserting the Democratic party completely.

This is becoming droll.

You have your protections of the law and are now gaining more general acceptance across the board do you think now they should make laws that force us to like it.

Even in this America that is not going to happen.

I care little where you have posted your objections and as for name calling I believe you may be straining the protocol of this fine website to the limit.

I will not enter this debate with you any further suffice it to say that “I have written what I have written”

Rev MB

Lest I forget, “thousands of those dropped on Normandy may have been gay”??

This little gay re-writing of history is more proof enough that you live in an alternate world of your own creation.

Addressing this nonsense would not be a good accounting of my time.

Rev MB

Approximately 130-150,000 troops were landed at Normandy on D-Day, which puts the number of gays in the initial invasion force at between 1,300 (1% of 130K) and 7,500 (5% of 150K), to make a conservative estimate. That’s not a “gay re-writing of history,” that’s simple math. (This does not include any portion of the 850,000 or so that followed over the next few weeks.)

You seem to hate Obama quite passionately, but calling him a socialist (not by any stretch of the imagination), blaming him for the national debt (over $10 trillion before his inauguration), and buying into the “Birther” conspiracy (debunked long ago) and other rumors do little to enhance your credibility.

Your holy text—or your understanding of it—may be immovable, but morality will nonetheless continue to progress. You can allege “slaps in the face” as much as you wish, but most Americans have come to understand homosexuality in a far more accurate way than was possible thousands of years ago.